There are bands that just seem destined to strive for success against  all  odds, overcome  adversity and,  in the  case of  Novembers Doom,  reach out  of a  market impregnated with  pretty much  anything -but-  doom metal  and make themselves  noticed. _The Knowing_ [CoC  #51] is  the band's third  full-length record, and its  quality, together with  the fact  that it's being  distributed by Dark Symphonies  in America  and Pavement in Europe, should guarantee at least some of the success  they thoroughly  deserve for their talent  and perseverance. Vocalist  Paul Kuhr tells us about the latest developments concerning Novembers  Doom.                                                                 
CoC: A lot seems to have happened  with Novembers Doom since our last       interview [back when  _For Every Leaf That  Falls_ was released;       see  CoC  #31], including  label  and  line-up changes  and  the       release of  two full-length  albums. Would you  like to  tell us       more about this sequence of events?                              
Paul Kuhr: Sure. It's a long story, but I'll pick it up from where we             left off,  a couple  years back.  From the  mini-CD, Maria             Abril came  to us and said  she was starting a  label, and             wanted to sign us to it.  We did get other offers, some of             which I regret  not signing to, and waited it  out to sign             to Maria's new  label. We then signed with  her new label,             Martyr Music, and at the time  we felt it was the smartest             thing we could have done.  We were good friends with Brian             Griffin,  and he  was  signing Broken  Hope  and his  side             project Em  Sinfonia to them,  so we figured, with  a band             like Broken Hope signing to them, and just coming off of a             Metal Blade  contract, it could  mean good things  for the             label. The thought was Broken  Hope's name would raise all             eyebrows to the fledgling label, and the recognition would             be there. Martyr started placing ads in the magazines, and             started to work  the press. They got the  buzz going about             the  label,  and it  was  exactly  what we  thought  would             happen. We knew  going into a new label,  that they didn't             have the distribution yet, and  there was almost none when             _Of Sculptured  Ivy and  Stone Flowers_ was  released [CoC             #42]. By  the time  the distro  was in  place, the  CD was             seven months old, and the  advertising had already taken a             back seat to the Broken  Hope release. We have always felt             that a band has the job of writing and recording a CD that             is to  the best  of their  ability. We  did that  job, and             handed in  a great disc. The  label's job is to  then work             the advertisements, press  and promos for the  CD in order             to sell  as many copies  as possible.  To this day,  I get             e-mails from people  telling me they can't  find the disc.             So, none of  us wanted the next CD to  come out on Martyr,             with  the  possibility of  the  same  thing happening.  We             worked hard for years in this band, and no way did we want             nothing  to come  of it.  We all  felt we  deserved to  be             treated better than the  red-headed stepchild, so we asked             for  our release,  which was  turned down.  We wanted  off             Martyr. It was no secret. We felt it was best for the band             and the label  for us to part ways. We  were not getting a             clean break  from Martyr, and  we were under  contract for             two more CDs. I spoke  with Dark Symphonies, who wanted us             on  his label,  and explained  our contract  situation. He             immediately  went to  bat  for us,  contacted Martyr,  and             purchased the remainder of our contract from Martyr Music.             _The Knowing_  was then  released on Dark  Symphonies. Ted             and DS is  the very best that could have  happened to this             band  in a  long  time, and  we're now  at  home where  we             belong.  He's already  done so  much for  us, and  I can't             begin to tell how nice it is to be on the top of someone's             priority list.  The CD  is in its  third pressing,  and it             will be released in Europe through Pavement Music.         
CoC: Exactly  how has your  signing with Dark Symphonies  helped you,       what have they done to improve your situation?                        
PK: Dark Symphonies is  amazing. The promotion has  been amazing, and      they work so  hard for their bands. Everyone  is treated equally,      no matter  how much you sell.  They like to create  an all-around      impressive package,  and it's all  helped the movement of  the CD      greatly.  We're being  pushed in  the right  areas, to  the right      people, and we don't get pushed  to the bottom of the totem pole.      It's all about  the love of the music, and  not about being rich.      Like I said, we're at home with DS.                               
CoC: I heard your bassist Mary Bielich  had left the band, but then I       recently read  in your website  she might be staying  after all.       What can you tell us about this situation?                       
PK: Mary moved to Pittsburgh, PA  (about five hours from Chicago) and      as a  band we all decided  to give it  a try, and remain  a band,      hooking up to rehearse a few  times a month. It's been difficult,      but Mary has come though for us  with shows and such. I guess you      could  say  she's  filling  in  for us  until  we  find  a  solid      replacement (which won't be easy).                                
CoC: You have  several doomy labelmates  now on Dark  Symphonies, but       you're actually  the only  doom/death band  on the  label... any       particular favourites of yours among those bands?                
PK: I'm a  fan of  Rain Fell Within  [CoC #46]. I  think the  band is      amazing. DS  made a perfect  choice when they signed  RFW. Autumn      Tears [CoC  #45 and #48]  is another  killer group on  the label.      Their songs really  touch emotion. Dark Symphonies  is very smart      in who they sign. No two bands sound alike.                       
CoC: How  do you  think doom  metal has generally  evolved in  the US       since we last spoke?                                                  
PK: I'm not really sure that it has. The popularity may have grown in      the style, but without the support of the American scene, it will      never be as accepted as in Europe. The States love their grinding      death metal, so doom is hard to move. It's gotten better with the      popularity of "stoner  rock", and it's a nice link  to our style,      but American  doom bands still  struggle to keep  moving forward.      This style of music  is not as accepted in the  States like it is      in Europe, but we do get  a positive reaction when we play. There      is a good  amount of fans who enjoy this  style, and enough bands      these days  to have  a few  great shows. Of  course, a  show like      Milwaukee MetalFest is the best for  it, because you can play for      people who  you would never have  the chance to, and  it's a show      like that where you  can "turn" people on to a  style, or to your      band. Will we ever be a "big" band in this style? Most likely no,      but we  love what we're  doing, and as  long as there  are people      around the  world who  will buy and  appreciate our  music, we're      happy.                                                            
CoC: _The Knowing_ has been out for a few months now; retrospectively,      how satisfied are you with this latest record of yours?
PK: I think anytime you complete an album, you listen back and always      hear things you would like to change. It goes for the whole band.      The CD is great for all of us, and the overall mood and vision is      right on the  money, but if we  could change a few  things to the      overall sound, we would. Just things  we will make sure we fix on      the  next  recording.  It  was  very  long,  and  at  times  very      frustrating. It took us about a  year to complete the writing for      the  CD, and  in that  time we  struggled with  writing within  a      concept. Different  moments of  the CD needed  different sounding      songs, so  we weren't  as free  to create.  We had  guidelines to      follow, which made it a bit  difficult. The final product made it      all worth it, though. Much more thought went into this CD, and we      took time  to work  on little things  like background  sounds, or      something to enhance a moment, which  we didn't do in the past. I      feel this is  a perfect release to follow _Of  Sculptured Ivy and      Stone Flowers_, and all the reviews we've seen so far are calling      this our best work to date, and I have to agree. The next goal is      to make a better  CD than this one, so we're  back to the drawing      board.                                                            
CoC: You seem  to have strived  to increase variety and  perhaps also       the atmosphere itself in your music with _The Knowing_. You used       some female vocals before, but  this time you have also utilized       some more piano, acoustic guitars  and more clean male vocals as       well, whilst keeping the basis  of your traditional style intact       (your death  vocals and  Eric Burnley's  guitar style  being the       most recognisable  elements). Do  you agree with  this analysis?       What do you feel led to these options?                           
PK: I would  agree with you  100%. It  took us a  bit over a  year to      write  _The  Knowing_.  We  are all  perfectionists,  and  wanted      everything to be  exactly as it was envisioned  when writing. One      of the goals we  set for ourselves was to make  sure no two songs      on the CD  sounded exactly alike, but maintain the  sound that is      our own.  It's not an easy  task, but we worked  hard towards our      goal, and I believe we reached it.                                
CoC: I understand you  are already writing new  material, and judging       by  the direction  on  _The  Knowing_, I'm  tempted  to ask  you       whether  the  music  is   becoming  yet  more  atmospheric  than       before... I  can imagine contrast  increasing even more  in your       music because of that -- or  will you reduce the heavier parts a       bit more in the future to keep that contrast more under control? 
PK: I don't think  we'll ever get too far from  what you would expect      from a  Novembers Doom CD.  I can tell  you, the new  material is      much like  _The Knowing_,  only at  times heavier,  and catchier.      It's still way  too early to tell, but we're  all very happy with      the new material  so far. It's coming out faster  and better than      we all expected, and we're looking for a November 2001 release.   
CoC: Lyrically, the  "I want to live  my life once more"  part in the       chorus of "Silent Tomorrow" seems  to be quite important in _The       Knowing_. Do  you agree? Would  you like  to tell us  more about       that?                                                            
PK: It's a  bold statement. If  you could  go back, and  re-live your      life,  fixing  the mistakes,  and  doing  things differently  the      second time around,  would you? I would. There are  many things I      would change in my life. Many mistakes that I would avoid. It's a      thought that takes its own life in the story.                     
CoC: What meaning  do you  find in  _The Knowing_'s  somewhat unusual       cover art? How much  of a connection do you feel  it has to your       lyrics?                                                          
PK: The booklet  cover is a shadow  of a person, reaching  for a key.      The  key  is knowledge,  supreme  knowledge.  It will  open  "The      Knowing". The best way to understand is to sit down and listen to      the CD  from front to  back, and read  along with the  lyrics. It      will all make sense then. After you read the concept, the artwork      all ties in with the story. Travis [Smith] did an amazing job for      us, and caught the essence of the story with his artwork.         
CoC: What are your plans and hopes for the future? Touring? Releasing       a new album in the near future?                                       
PK: We would love  to hit the road  for a tour, and it  may happen as      soon as  2001. 2001 will also  bring the re-release of  our first      CD, _Amid  It's Hallowed Mirth_, with  a bonus CD of  live songs,      cover songs, and  some rare music not many have  heard. Also look      to November for a new CD from us. We're staying busy this year!   
CoC: Please conclude this interview in any way you'd like...
PK: Pedro,  as  always,  thank  you  for  your  time,  and  for  this      interview.  It's great  to see  CoC  is still  alive and  kicking      after  all these  years. It's  one of  the more  respected online      zines  in  the scene  today,  and  I'm glad  to  be  part of  it!      Thanks  again! For  updates check  out www.novembersdoom.com.  To      hear  music, www.mp3.com/novembersdoom.  And to  buy merchandise,      www.darksymphonies.com.